could you please explain fake birth certificates?

Question

i want to understand... what is a fake birth certificate? do they remove the biological mother's name from the original? or is it a totally different piece of paper? is it the same as an adoption certificate?

it would be extremly harsh if they altered the original and you would think illegal???

Answer 1

Hi *Dominic*



When all people are born they are issued an official birth certificate that documents the historical event by listing the people who gave birth, the date & time, the place, and some other details. Those facts never change. Even if someone else later has custody of a child, the facts of his/her birth remain the same.



If the parents relinquish custody at any time, the child's birth certificate remains the same. Some children grow up in foster care and age out. They have their OBC's intact. (original birth certificates) If the child is later adopted by someone, those adults receive an adoption decree upon the finalization. This is the official legal document that proves they legally adopted the child and are the legal parents of said child.



However, it doesn't stop there. Upon finalization of an adoption, the government will also go back and seal that child's OBC permanently from him/her. In its place, they will issue a fake, or amended birth certificate that looks similar to a real birth certificate. The fake one will state that the adoptive parents gave birth to that child instead of the actual parents. Sometimes other vital information is changed as well, at the AP's request. Then the state affixes its official state seal to the document to "verify" that it's a true & accurate record of the event, and voila - the child has been "reborn" if you will, & the actual parents have been deleted. That's why it's called fake or legal fiction.



If for any reason the AP's decide parenthood is not for them, (happens in over 20% of adoptions) they return the child (or "rehome" them is the current PC term). Their names are then removed from the child's fake birth certificate. The child's official birth certificate is once again changed to revert back to the original one. The process repeats every time for the new adoptive parents every time someone is adopted.



This practice was started at the request of AP's and those in the adoptive industry to give AP's extra security that the bond between the child they adopted and the original family will permanently be severed. Yes, that is harsh, and yes, one would think that would be illegal. This same process is followed even in step-parent adoptions.



In a few states, adoptees are able to receive copies of their own OBC's upon adulthood. In most of them they cannot. Ever. You know how they change the ownership papers when you buy or sell your car? Yeah, amended birth certificates are kind of like that. Humans are only born once! And they are not property & should not be treated as such. They do not need new fake birth certificates issued to reflect who has current legal custody of them, especially after they are adults! This practice of changing a person's birth certificate is a disgrace as that information rightfully belongs to the person named on the original document. Everyone deserves to know who they are & where they came from. Thanks for asking so more awareness can be brought to this issue. Hope this helps explain. Yes, I realize it still doesn't make sense, but that's how it's done in adoptionland.



julie j

reunited adult adoptee

Answer 2

Well here is where our precious Canada isn't much better.



There is a new BC issued with NO mention of the previous name. Just place of birth remains the same. We didn't realize at the time what this all meant...we just signed papers but man do we know now!



The new BC is meant to look like we gave birth to our son.



Thank God we have an open adoption and have extra information some don't. Next time around, if we are in that position, WE PHOTOCOPY the BC or ask to have it include original info (I am pretty sure a new one has to be issued for legal purposes so it might as well reflect something of the original family).



It "says" we gave birth to him. We did NOT. I call that fake.

Answer 3

yes, the biological mother's name is removed from the original birth certificate, and the adoptive parents' names are inserted where the lines say'mother" and 'father."



This "birth certificate" is created after an adoption has been finalized by the courts. In the USA, an "adoption Decree" is the official adoption certificate.



The Amended or fake, birth certificate, is an adopted person's legal birth certificate after having been adopted. The original birth certificate is sealed when the child's adoption is finalized. In a few states, these OBC's are available to adopted people.



Much about adoption in the USA violates the civil rights of natural parents and children.Fake birth certificates are a violation of the 14th Amendment "equal protection under the laws" and "the right to due process under the law."



http://www.uoregon.edu/~adoption/



The above link gives about 150 years of adoption history,mostly in the USA. Millions of families have been separated by government design.



The fake birth certificates are only part of this 'program."

Answer 4

What Ferbs said.



It is absolutely false to imply that adoptive parents have given birth to their children. That is a lie, and an unnecessary one.



I don't like lies and mind games, and I don't need to play 'pretend'. I like dealing in truth. And the truth of the matter is that I will be adopting my children, not birthing them, and I am not the only mother. I don't see a need to wipe anyone's name out. Why we can't just add adoptive parents' names to the original is totally beyond me...Or just attach a decree of adoption...?



My husband works for Vital Stats in our province. He has asked his superiors about how complicated this would actually be to implement (legally speaking...from a programming perspective, he knows how to write the code) and apparently it is much more politically charged than almost any other issue dealing with Vital Stats, save for gay marriage. That tells me that someone has an agenda, and as a prospective ap, I can't understand why.



Here's something interesting too...One of the "bigwigs" in his department commented that "adoptees wouldn't want everyone knowing they were adopted". Pffft.



Did anyone ask them?



Having to lie usually speaks to insecurities. And I seriously doubt BC's are falsified to make adoptees feel better.

Answer 5

My "original" birth certificate, the one with the names of the people who conceived me, is sealed up in the nether realms of the court system.



My "amended" birth certificate states that I was born to 2 infertile people. I am unable to have any access to my original certificate. For reasons made up by others, I am not allowed to see them. I would have to go through a lengthy and costly process (in which I could still be denied the information) to know the names of the people who each make up 50% of my dna.

Answer 6

We adopted when Drew was 8 years old. But his Birth certificate states:



1) It states "Certificate of Live Birth" on the top and list me and my husband as his Mother & Father.

2) His father was a man I did not even know at the time of his birth. I was married to someone else when he was born.



I would have been completely satisfied with a certificate of adoption.



Also as a side note, even though the Government issued his birth certificate, it seems to have a problem recognizing it as an official document. We have been waiting well over 6 months for his Passport. My other children with a "real" Birth certificate had theirs quite a while ago.

Answer 7

There are two types of fake BCs. One isn't relevant to this question as it's non adoption related and something dishonest people do.



The other type is to refer to Amended BCs. My son has two - one is his OBC which I got and is a standard birth certificate, the other has his adoptive parents names on it. He now has both as he is over 18.

Answer 8

When a child is adopted they are issued a new birth certificate that states the new adoptive parents as the "birth" parents. Sometime it will even state that the child is born in a different state/province and I've even heard of it stating a completely different birth date!

There are groups advocating for adoptee rights which I think everyone on this forum should atleast look at (Julie J is the one that showed me this as well!)

I was on the keepyourbaby.com website and read one really interesting thing about the adoptees BC in Australia and thought I would post it as its atleast a start in the right direction (the main thing I have a problem with it is that it says 'if the adopters are willing'- this should be the only option):



"In South Australia, if the adopters are willing, they can have their names added to the child's original birth certificate instead of having a new one issued. This means that, after the adoption, the names of both the parents and the adopters appear on the same document, which is the child's legal birth certificate. The mother of the child has access to the original birth certificate from the time that the adoption takes place. The father also has access if his name appears on the birth certificate."

Answer 9

In Korea there wasn't such a thing as a birth certificate until a couple of years ago. Families registered their children to the father's clan in something called a "Hojuk." Even today, the birth certificates do not register live births as recorded by a doctor at a hospital. Adoptees are given a fake Hojuk, with themselves listed as the head of the family, and their clan's family seat is now given as a fictitious district in Seoul which doesn't even exist.



Once in America, we are issued a "Certificate of Birth" with our adoptive parent's names written in where the parents' names should be. It's really weird to see the baby is from Korea and the parents are from whatever state they happened to come from. Notice the word "Live" is not included in OUR birth certificates.



In Korea, however, somewhere our real hojuks exist in the district government offices. We are even still citizens of Korea, even though most of the adoptees don't know that. But because only the adoption agency knows who are real families are (even the government doesn't have that information) we can never know our own names or birthdates.



The Certificate of Birth and our adoption Hojuk are all 100% fabricated. There's really no knowing by us or our adoptive families who we really were and what our real stories were.



While Unicef tries to record live births in Africa to thwart trafficking of babies and the Hague Convention says every child has the right to have their original identity preserved somewhere, these atrocities to human rights continue. And as long as we are denied this basic right, children without identities can be swapped, trafficked, and shipped anywhere in the world.



It's very disturbing now knowing your beginnings and that nothing can be verified about you. It's even more disturbing how this is allowed to take place and that it's even legal (?)



An identity is a terrible thing to lose.

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Answer 11

When I put my daughter up for adoption I was told we could get her birth certificate with the name we picked out for her. We called her "Peanut" and got one with that name. But I think the adoptive parents get her real one with her real name on it.

Answer 12

People are now able to buy identities like they buy a cheeseburger. You can purchase a Social Security Card, a Birth Certificate, a driver license / ID card - whatever is needed to obtain a new identity.



These documents look like the real thing but contain information about either fictional people (made-up) or people who have died and these identities are often used for years before being detected by authorioties. Sad but true.



It's not possible to alter an original Birth Certificate - I do know that. Those records are kept secured in the county in which a person was born. Once the original document is presented to the mother of a child, only duplicate copies of that original certificate are available. That said, if you have a duplicate copy of your original birth certificate, you need only contact the county listed on that certificate to obtain another copy and then just compare the two. Everyone has a proper and accurate birth record and all birth records are obtainable - you just need the correct county, mothers full maiden name, father's full name, and the child's name.



I agree with you - it's horrible to think that something so personal could be altered. But rest assured, your original is safe - you just need to locate it.



Good luck, sweetie.

Answer 13

A fake birth certificate is a term I am not familiar with. The only time I've ever heard it used is in reference to people who literally create a fake birth certificate to try and prove legal citizenship.

Answer 14

I want to know as well then... I didnt even know they were legal...

Answer 15

its wene a babie comes out of the hospitals when it reafy to walk it gets a sertificate